Howard Stern: Chaz Bono is Repulsive (Interview Transcript)

Interview Transcript:

Howard came back and introduced Chaz Bono. Howard said that ”she” was there so Robin corrected him on that. Howard said he screwed up. Howard said he feels like he knows Chaz. He said he’s seen him so much on TV that he feels he knows him. Robin said that they watched him grow up. Chaz notice that Robin was in a booth. Robin said that they believe in segregation there.

Howard said that not many people get to experience life with estrogen and testosterone. Howard said Chaz has realized how yappy women are. Chaz said that things used to roll of his back a lot easier in the past. Chaz said he used to be able to tolerate things much better than he can now. He said that things don’t roll off his back so easy. He said that he talks to his girlfriend and has to ask if she’s going to stop talking.

Howard asked Chaz if he met Beth out there. He said he did. Howard said he told Beth that he’s gassy and he wonders if he can just blast one out. Chaz said he went to the bathroom during a show once and the guy next to him was farting so loud that he started laughing. He said that this guy had no problem doing it in there. He said a woman would be much more subtle. Robin said women would wait to be home to make those noises.

Howard said he was disgusted with Dr. Keith Ablow during the whole Dancing with the Stars thing. Howard said when he came out he figured that he was an educated guy. Howard said Ablow was offending him. He said he became Chaz’s biggest defender during that. Howard asked if Chaz got any death threats. Chaz said he did get them through Twitter. He said he didn’t expect that. He said that he did get some positive feedback through and he never expected that either.

Howard said Chaz wasn’t the greatest dancer but he was put through because people felt something for him. Chaz said he hoped he wouldn’t get voted off the first week and he didn’t expect to stick around forever. He said he was thrilled that he was on as long as he was. Chaz said he was overwhelmed by the response he got from people.

Howard said that Chaz claims that his relationship got better with his mom after that. Howard said he was saddened by that. He asked if that’s what it takes to get love from Cher. Chaz said that she can relate to show business so that’s why she was happy for him. Chaz said they could bond over that on a certain level because it’s a common experience.

Howard asked if Cher gave him advice. Chaz said he didn’t get advice from her but she did send over some physical therapists to help him when he injured himself early on. He said that helped get her through the show.

Howard asked Chaz about what it was like being Sonny and Cher’s kid. Howard asked if he saw the Joan Rivers documentary. Chaz hadn’t seen it. Howard said that Melissa talks about how tough it was growing up as Joan’s kid. Howard said he should see it. Howard asked Chaz if he felt abandoned as a kid with parents in show business. He said he didn’t feel abandoned. He felt that he should stay out of their way though. Chaz said that the time he spent with his dad was the most normal. Howard said Sonny was also more accepting of his sexuality.

Chaz said that his dad told him that he didn’t have a problem with gay marriage but he did vote against it. He came out and co-sponsored a bill that wasn’t what he believed in. He said that he had to follow party lines to keep his job though. Chaz said that he and his dad were not confrontational people so they didn’t have it out over that. They just didn’t talk and then he passed away. Howard asked if he was upset about that or was it okay because he was angry over it. Chaz said he wished he had handled it differently. Howard asked if he went to the funeral. Chaz said of course he did. He said that both of them did a stupid thing. He said they should have just talked.

Howard asked if Chaz was shocked seeing his mom carrying on at the funeral. Chaz said that he was the one who told his mom that he had died. He said he got the call from Mary and he had to let his mom know. He said he had to call her in England. Chaz said that he wanted to tell his mom himself and his aunt told him that she was really going to be upset. Chaz said that his mom broke down when he told her. He said that showed that they really did mean a lot to each other. He said it really hit him then.

Chaz told Howard that neither of his parents ever spoke a bad word about the other when he was growing up. She said that was a good thing. Howard said that maybe it’s good to hear that once in a while. Chaz said that her dad was a great guy but also a complicated guy. He said he was very controlling with his wives. Howard said he thinks of him like a hippie and not a strict republican.

Howard said he’s thinking about Cher as Chaz’s mother. Howard said she left Sonny and suddenly Cher is experiencing her first childhood. She’s free and she must have just figured she could go out and meet men and date. Howard asked if it was a shock to see her out showing her ass and things like that. He asked how weird that was for Chaz. Chaz said he remembers feeling weird when she’d come to school because she didn’t look like the other mothers. He said she has her look and style and it wasn’t anything like the other moms.

Howard asked if he thinks that a mom has to put said her personal look and maybe dress like the other moms. Chaz said she didn’t dress like that. It was just more stylish than other moms. Chaz said he just wanted to be like the other kids and that was hard.

Howard asked Chaz about Cher marrying the bagel guy and some of the other guys like Greg Allman. Howard asked what it was like having those people around. Chaz said it really wasn’t that bad. He said that his mom was a serial monogamous person. He said she’d have a boyfriend for a few years and then she’d get another one. He said he had some great guys around him growing up. He said he had Gene Simmons around him for a while. Howard said that is not a good influence. Chaz said that Gene was great with her and her brother. Chaz said he was a huge KISS fan before that so it was great.

Howard asked if Gene charged her for all of the KISS merchandise. Chaz said he actually gave it to him for free. He said that Gene was very generous with him.

Howard asked Chaz about being in a band and writing his own music. Chaz said that the whole Grunge thing was just starting so their album didn’t do that well. He said it would have been a nightmare to be a girl in a band anyway.

Howard said he’s had Elijah Blue on the show. Chaz said that he’s a weird guy. He said that Elijah will come to him when he needs something. He said that he’s still dependant on their mom for support. Chaz said it’s a hard way to grow up and it’s growing up in a reality that’s not reality. Howard said that maybe he should go out and do something different like become a teacher. Chaz said he’d like to see him happy and thriving. That’s what he wants for him. Howard said this kid has fucked everyone. He asked if Chaz has penis envy over that. Chaz said that he kind of does. He wondered if the girls actually talk to him. He said that Elijah is just way out there but he’s incredibly smart in an impractical way.

Howard asked if Greg Allman is involved at all. Chaz said he doesn’t think so to a big degree. Chaz said that he doesn’t hate Greg though. Howard asked if Cher has horrible taste in men. Chaz said no because she’s had some great men in her life.

Chaz told Howard about going out with Greg one night and he got so high he didn’t know how to get home. Then some guy showed them the way and they stopped at a bar on the way home. They spent a couple of hours there and Chaz was just a little kid at the time.

Howard asked if Chaz’s mom really knows him. Chaz said she doesn’t know him as well as some other people. Chaz said that the transition was very hard on her but she’s become more comfortable with that over time.

Howard said he thinks about Cher on the battleship with her ass showing and he wondered what Chastity was thinking at the time. Howard said he was on TV as Fartman so he wonders what his kids were thinking too. He said it is a learning experience. Howard said he’s not putting Cher down but he think about how difficult it must have been for Chaz.

Chaz said it’s a tough thing to grow up with when your parents are in the entertainment industry. He said he wanted to carve out his own niche and he hoped that people would some day see him for more than just being their kid.

Howard asked if he had any fun growing up. Chaz said he felt something was wrong with her from as far back as he has memory. Howard asked how early he came out of the closet. Chaz said that he was pretty much the only one who did but it was in high school. Howard asked if he got tons of chicks in high school. Chaz said he did get the bi-curious girls. Howard asked if he was a seducer. Chaz said he kind of flies under the radar. Howard said he must work the room slowly.

Howard asked if he ever tried to bang Jennifer Aniston. Chaz said no. They were very close but he never tried to get her. Chaz said he fell hard for a girl in high school and that took the focus back then. Howard said that the girls must have come on to him because they knew he was gay. Howard asked if some of the girls wanted to experiment. Chaz said that’s where he fit in back then. He said that it was harder for him because in high school he wasn’t with anyone who was gay. He said that most of the women he was with are with men now. Howard asked if he had any famous women. Chaz said no.

Howard said that Chaz’s girlfriend is very feminine and super hot. Howard said she’s super femme. Howard said she sticks by Chaz through all of this. Chaz said that she’s bi. Howard said she claims that she likes Chaz better as a man than as a woman. Howard said he can’t figure this out. He said he’s really confused.

Howard asked Chaz if he’s ever been with a guy. He said he was once. He was 17 at the time and it was really nothing to her. He said he just wanted to do it so he could say he did it. Chaz said it was a friend of a friend and he knew him so it was something he could just do. Howard said he would have done it for her too but maybe not if she was only 17. Chaz said they went to the movies and then went back home and did it.

Howard asked Chaz if he was able to get wet. Chaz said he can’t remember. Howard asked if it was painful. He said it might have been. Howard said he can’t believe that. He wondered if that guy ever came forward. Chaz said he didn’t. He said that this just wasn’t for him. He said sex is sex and it feels good but it felt wrong to him.

Howard asked Chaz about the operation he had and said he felt happy for him when he had it done. Howard said now they talk about getting a penis. Howard said they are nowhere near this operation and there’s no way he’s letting him do this. Chaz said there are two different surgeries and the one he would do is use what you have, the clitoris, because it’s bigger than it used to be thanks to the testosterone. Howard asked if it’s a couple of inches long now. Chaz said it is. Chaz showed Howard this thing called a soft pack that he uses. It’s a cock that gives you a nice bulge. Howard said he knows some transgender people, but the other way around, male to female. Howard said that these people can’t stand seeing their penis and he’s wondering if Chaz can’t stand seeing his vagina. Chaz said it’s not that bad. He said seeing a penis is probably worse than having a vagina because you see it outside your body.

Howard said that Chaz has a 2 or 3 inch clit and he wonders if he can fuck women with that. Chaz said he didn’t say that. Howard said his penis is about that size and he can still fuck women.

Howard said Chaz is considering staying the way he is now with the 2 or 3 inch clit. Chaz said that it does get hard but you can’t penetrate with it. He said that what he will probably do is go to Belgrade to get an operation. He said that they do this procedure where they take the clitoris and make it bigger. They take a graft from your cheek and lengthen it with a urethra and testicular implants. He said it works and you can pee standing up. Howard said he’s a guy who pees sitting down. He said he’s so small that he has to sit down to pee. Howard said Chaz is more proud of what he has down below than he is.

Chaz said he got stopped in airport security with that penis thing. He said he did a lot to get it to Howard.

Howard asked Chaz if he uses a strap on to simulate a penis. He said he has used them but it’s not satisfying. Howard said life is not easy. Chaz laughed and said it’s not…

Howard asked Chaz how long he’s been financially independent. He said that it’s been since about 1996 or 1997. Howard said that’s what he’s trying to get Elijah to do. Chaz said before he transitioned he was in horrible financial shape. He said he hated going to his mom for help. Howard said that his mom must be worth a lot and that would be his full time job kissing her ass all day long.

Howard asked if Chaz knew Ron Zimmerman. Chaz said of course he did. Howard said that Ron is their friend and it was shocking to see that he was dating Cher. Chaz said they’re on again off again.

Howard said that Chaz has a new season of Being Chaz coming up on the OWN network. Chaz said it’s been fun doing the show. He said it’s hard though. He said that he and Jen have been going through a lot of stuff and you see it come out on this show. Howard said Jen started drinking heavily through the whole transition thing. Chaz said that’s true. He said the hard part has been riding that with Jen. He said that Jen has been abstaining from alcohol but he didn’t go as far as to say she’s sober.

Howard asked Chaz about sex with Jen and if she keeps her from putting a finger in there. He said that she doesn’t do that. Chaz said that he dries up from the testosterone anyway so it’s not a pleasant thing. He doesn’t get a period anymore either.

Howard asked if Chaz is going to sue the Enquirer for saying she’s near death from the drugs he’s taking. He said he would just like them to apologize.

Howard asked why Cher conducts her business in her bathroom. Chaz said that dinner isn’t in there but he has hung out in the bathroom over there. Chaz said Cher does have a day bed in the bathroom. He was laughing while talking about that.

Howard asked if Elijah lives at home with Cher. Chaz said that he has moved out. Howard asked who he’s banging now. Chaz didn’t know.

Howard asked Chaz if he gets hit on a lot now. He said that he does get hit on via Twitter. He said he’s not going to fuck around though. Howard said he’s a guy now so he has to fuck around.

Howard asked Chaz if he thinks his dance partner, Lacey, was kind of chunky. Chaz said that he was attracted to her. Howard asked if he made any moves on her. Chaz said he didn’t do that. Howard asked if he masturbated thinking about her. Chaz said he has respect for women and he can’t do that. Howard said he has a lot of feminine feelings left in there. Howard asked what he masturbates to. Chaz said he does that to porn on the internet. Howard said he’s very proud of him for saying that. Howard asked what his favorite kind of porn is. Chaz didn’t get a chance to say. Howard said that he loves Babysitter porn. He told Chaz to check it out. Chaz said he’s more into guy on girl porn. He never really liked girl on girl. He said that looks fake to him. He said he likes the amateur stuff too.

Howard asked Chaz where he goes for porn. He said something about or something like that. Howard said he had to write that down. Howard asked if Chaz does it solo. He said he does. Howard said that he’s totally transitioned. Chaz said he will do it in the kitchen and ask Jen to leave him alone for like 15 minutes. Howard said he has an iPad so he can use that to jerk off. Chaz said he has an iPad but the porn doesn’t come up fast enough for him.

Howard asked Chaz if he got good money for being on Dancing with the Stars. Chaz said he got a flat rate and the longer you stay on the more you get. He said it was a great incentive to stay on.

Howard asked Chaz about the people on Dancing with the Stars. Chaz said that he saw J.R. early on and he knew that he would win the show. He said he really wants him to win. Howard said he doesn’t know how that guy does it because he cries over his face every morning and he’s not even burned like J.R.

Howard asked Chaz about going to the party with David Arquette recently. Chaz said that was a Halloween party. Howard asked about wanting to bang that Karina chick. Chaz said she’s very attractive. Howard said she’s got a great body. Howard said he’d beat off to that on his iPad.

Howard said he heard that Karina was dancing around at the party. Chaz said she was. Howard asked if Chaz has lost a few pounds. Chaz said he lost some weight and he’s trying to keep going. Howard said he thinks that it’s a passive aggressive thing toward Cher staying fat. Chaz said he just enjoys food and it’s nothing about his mom. Chaz said he gave up cigarettes a couple of years ago and didn’t gain any weight but didn’t lose any either.

Howard asked Chaz about her addiction to Oxy a few years ago. Chaz said that he was going to therapy and trying to ween off of the stuff but not really. He said that it was the beginning of the year and he told the therapist he didn’t like her and he just wanted to be left alone and do the drugs. Chaz said that the therapist told him that he was trying to slowly kill himself and push everyone out of his life. He said that made him realize that he had hit the bottom and he had a moment of clarity and he had to stop this. Chaz said he went to treatment and got off the stuff.

Howard asked if Cher has a will. Chaz said that Sonny didn’t. She said that they all got a portion of his song publishing royalties. Chaz said that there is some money there but any cash he had went to his wife Mary. Howard said that he should have had a will. Howard asked if Cher has one. Chaz said that he’s sure she does. Howard wondered how the money would be split. He said she must have millions. Howard said if he plays this right then he could get the mother load. Howard said that Elijah might not get as much as Chaz does. Robin said that Chaz may end up being in charge of Elijah. Chaz said that’s what keeps him up at night. Howard said he can see the money going right out the window if Elijah gets it.

Howard asked if Chaz is a millionaire. He said that with assets he might be. Chaz said that his mom is extremely generous. He said that she’s helped him out with things like buying her house and things like that.

Howard said that Chaz is the only thing going on with the OWN network. Howard said Oprah was all about not doing reality shows on her network but now she’s all about Chaz and her reality show. Howard said that Oprah doesn’t understand men. Chaz said he met her and did get to hang out with her a bit at Sundance. He said that it is Oprah after all and it is mesmerizing to talk to her.

Chaz asked Howard for a bottle of water. Howard said he sure can. He said he’s had him talking for an hour now. He said he’ll try to wrap things up.

Howard asked Chaz what his next step is. Chaz said he stopped acting as a woman and he’s thinking about getting back into that as a man. He’s not sure if he’ll be accepted. He said he’d be willing to shave his head for a movie when Howard asked about that.

Howard asked Chaz about the beard and why he doesn’t have a moustache. Chaz said that he can’t grow the moustache yet. He said the hair has kind of started from below and it’s working its way up. He said he’d like to see if he can look like his dad with the moustache eventually.

Howard said he wants to grow a Hitler moustache. Howard said that was a cool moustache until Hitler ruined it for everyone.

Howard took a call from a guy who said that it’s great that Chaz finally came on the show. Howard asked if it was a problem with Cher. Chaz said that his publicist was the one who finally let him do it. He said that he wanted to do it and finally got the chance. He said that they did tell him that he’d have to talk about penises the whole time.

The caller asked Chaz if he prefers tits or ass. Chaz said he likes both. He said nice breasts are nice. Howard said that they say that lesbian women make love for hours but Chaz said that’s a myth. Howard asked if he spends more time on boobs now that he’s on testosterone. Chaz said he didn’t notice them until he was on testosterone. He said that he’s discovered that breasts are like an eye magnet now.

Howard said he read that Chaz wanted to go talk to Angelina Jolie’s kid Shylo who looks like he dresses up as a boy all the time. Chaz said he never said that he wanted to go talk to the kid. He said he was asked about the kid and he has a group for kids who may be transgender and if they needed help he’d be willing to be there for them. He said they misinterpreted that.

Robin asked Chaz about this boy who wanted to be a Girl Scout. Chaz said he thinks that they should be allowed to do that. Chaz said when you have consciousness you know if you feel like a boy or a girl. He said that they should let the kids be who they feel they are.

Howard said that he thinks that Dr. Keith is really wrong about what he was saying about letting kids watch Chaz on Dancing with the Stars.

,Howard asked what Chaz is doing today. He said he’s doing a few more interviews there at Sirius XM and then going to do Wendy Williams. Howard said he thinks that Chaz is having a good time there today. Chaz said he actually is.

Howard took another call from a guy who said he dressed up as Chaz for Halloween. He said he wore a sweater vest and he’s kind of stocky. He said he drew on a beard and he had a picture of Chaz’s dancer attached to him.

Howard asked Chaz who he thinks is the sexiest chick on that show. Chaz said he thinks Lacey is. He said she sticks out and she’s really good.

Howard asked Chaz if he’s been to a strip club yet. Chaz said he hasn’t yet but he has to do that eventually. Howard asked if he and Jen are going to break up. Chaz said they’re in a tough place right now but they’re trying to get through it. Howard asked if he feels guilty about breaking up. Chaz said they haven’t broken up so that’s not even a question.

Howard asked about the reality show and if he feels like he has to be ”on” for the camera. Chaz said they do have a game plan for the show and he doesn’t force anything. Howard said he’d feel a pressure to perform. He said he’d have to make some noise at least.

Howard took a call from David Arquette who said this was a great interview. He said that he asked all of the questions that they wanted to hear asked.

Howard asked which party it was that they went to that night. David said they went to Kate Hudson’s party. Howard said if he hooked up with Kate it would be the biggest story ever. Howard said it would be great if Chaz started dating Courteney. David said then he could start dating Cher.

Howard asked Chaz if he’s attracted to Courteney. Chaz said that’s the ex-wife of his friend so he would never do that. Howard said he’s into the man code then. Chaz said he would like to do a show with David, Carson Kressley and J.R. else and do something like The View. Howard said he’d like them to do the show on Howard 100 so they can hear what that would sound like. Chaz said he’s game. David was up for it too. Howard said he wants to hear pussy talk and stuff about Chaz wanting to fuck David’s wife.

Chaz said he thinks that they could get female viewership too because they’re offbeat guys. Howard said David is very offbeat.

Howard asked Chaz about one of her first loves being Cher’s good friend. Howard said Cher was fine with it too. Howard said they’ll save that for another time. Howard let David go and David told Chaz he did a great job with the interview today.

Howard said he could bullshit with Chaz all day. He had to wrap up though. He said that Being Chaz is going to be on OWN starting November 27th. Howard asked Chaz if he’s done with the tattoos. Chaz said that he is for now. Howard showed what he has on his arm. Chaz said that they all have a little meaning to him. Howard said his mean nothing to him. He said he hates astrology and he’s not sure why he did the one he did on his arm.

Howard asked Chaz if he shaves his bush. Howard said that his bush is full and he’s man so that’s cool. Chaz said he lets it grow. Howard said that the hair on his bush is longer than his penis.

Howard asked Chaz what happened to Sonny Bono. Chaz said he made the decision to cross over from one ski trail to another and he ended up hitting a tree. Howard said he has never skied. Chaz said he hasn’t done it in a long time. Howard said that’s good. He doesn’t want to end up in a tree. Chaz said that he’d still do it and it was just a poor decision on her dad’s part. Chaz said he wouldn’t try to ski through the trees.

Howard wrapped up with Chaz and thanked him for coming in. Howard said he admires his courage. Howard said he’s in his corner and he’ll defend him the best he can.

KC Armstrong and the Transgender Woman Who Tricked Him

Howard said it was time for the moment they’ve been waiting for. KC Armstrong used to work on the show and he was recently in Alaska and got arrested. When he got out of jail he met a girl in a Walmart and he later found out that she was a tranny.

Howard said there were songs about KC being gay and now this has happened. Howard had Darlene the Transvestite come in too. Howard said she’s very beautiful. Howard had her stand up so he could check her out. Howard said he wanted to take a good, long look at her to see if she looked like a woman. Howard said that she was wearing a mini-skirt and high heels. She had full breasts that turned out to be real. Darlene said she does pad them a little bit. Howard said she’s very beautiful.

Howard said that she hasn’t seen KC since their encounter. She wasn’t even looking at KC. Howard asked why that was. Darlene said that she was attracted to him. KC said ”What’s up bro” when he said hi to her. Howard said that wasn’t very nice. KC changed ”bro” to ”sister.”

Darlene told Howard that he grew up a boy in the Philippines. Howard asked if he still has balls and penis. Darlene said that she still has balls and penis and she doesn’t want to get rid of them. Howard asked if she had a tough life wanting to be someone who dresses up like a woman. She said it’s easier there in the United States than it is in the Philippines.

Darlene said that she just started doing all of this about 5 or 6 years ago. She started to live as a woman about 3 years ago. Howard asked if she lives the life of a woman 24/7. She said that she does. She doesn’t dress up like a man because that would be weird. KC said ”Yeah, that would be weird.”

Howard said that KC ran into Darlene at a supermarket and he saw her ass and fell for her. Darlene said she was wearing pants so she’s not sure why he fell for that. Darlene said she was wearing a top with see through arms.

Howard said KC was in jail and he got out the day he met Darlene. Howard asked what he said to Darlene. Darlene said that KC asked her if she was from that town and things like that. KC asked her out to a bar when he met her. KC said he’s a gentleman so he invited her for a drink. Darlene said she’s only 19 so she can’t go to a bar. Howard said that KC took her to his hotel because he needed to shower. Howard said that’s what dudes do to get naked in front of women. KC said that’s not what he was doing. He’s a gentleman.

Howard asked Darlene if she thought that she was going to fool KC and get laid. Darlene said she didn’t’ think that she was fooling anyone but she didn’t think that KC knew she was a man.

Howard said KC describes that he had to shower. Howard said he knows what he was up to. He was turned on and he wanted to show her his body. KC said he had been in jail for 8 days and he wasn’t able to shower more than once or twice a week. KC said he had to take a shower and he went in the bathroom and took one while she stayed in the room. Howard said that Darlene must have known what was going on. Darlene said that it was her first time hanging out with a stranger. KC told her that she was his buddy so it was no big deal. She said that she thought that he knew he was a man. KC said he didn’t know that she was a man.

Howard asked Darlene if she thinks KC is gay. She said she wasn’t sure. She said that KC did call her his buddy so she wondered if she was his fuck buddy. She said that kind of turned him off.

Howard asked if Darlene saw KC’s six pack. She said she did see that. She said that he disrobed in front of her. She said that KC went into the bathroom with his clothes on so she stayed out watching TV. She said that she figured he wanted to get her. Howard asked if she felt that she should tell KC that she was a man. She said she was scared at the time and she didn’t think about telling him.

Howard asked if Darlene saw KC’s penis while he was showering. She didn’t see it. She said that she did ask him what he was doing but she doesn’t remember what he said. KC didn’t remember that part.

Howard asked what happened next. KC said that he did kiss her. He said he thinks that he just kissed her and that was it. Darlene said he was in his towel and he started to get dressed. He went out and bought a Scrabble board and they started to play that.

Howard asked if Darlene thought about having sex with KC. She said she didn’t think about it at the time. KC said that he heard she was 19 or 20 and he wanted to see her ID because he didn’t want to get into trouble with anyone. She said that she showed it to him but covered up her name on the card. KC said he didn’t look close enough at it. Howard asked what her given name is. Gary said that the name is a recognizable male name but maybe it went over KC’s head. KC said he didn’t look close enough.

Howard asked if Darlene was afraid to go back up to the room to play Scrabble. She said she wasn’t afraid. Howard said she really didn’t know this guy KC though. They went back up to the room and then what happened. KC said he’s not sure. He said he’s very uncomfortable. He said things happened and he’s re-living this stuff again. He said that she was a great friend the whole time. He got that note from her and he felt duped and tricked. Howard asked if he has the right to feel that way. Darlene said that he does. She said that she feels guilty about that.

KC said he thought that she was one of those Herbivores that has both male and female genitals. That’s a hermaphrodite, not a herbivore. KC said that she had big hands but no Adam’s apple. He said he didn’t even think of it at the time.

Howard asked what went down in the hotel after the Scrabble game. Darlene said that KC made up a rule about every tile being a kiss. KC didn’t remember that. Howard said that’s KC’s move. He said he doesn’t like Scrabble, he uses it to get kisses. Darlene said she laughed when he made up that rule. Howard said of course she did. KC must have felt lucky.

Howard asked Darlene what KC did when she had a tile. She said that they kissed. She said it was very awkward for her. She said that she was kissing him on the cheek. She said that she had never kissed a stranger before. Howard said that Darlene doesn’t do that kind of thing with strangers. KC said that was just his luck.

Howard said he still thinks that KC would be with Darlene. KC said that’s not true. Howard said he can picture Darlene’s cock in KC’s mouth.

Howard asked about the kissing and if it eventually got to the mouth. Darlene said she smoked a cigarette and then KC put the board down and he took her cigarette away and started to kiss her. She said she doesn’t remember if he put his tongue in her mouth. Howard asked if she jerked off that night to KC. She said she didn’t.

Darlene said that they made out for a couple of minutes. She said it was probably 20 minutes or so. KC said he’s never kissed a broad for 20 minutes in his life. Howard said this wasn’t a chick. Howard asked Darlene if she has a bit of a beard. She said she really doesn’t. She said she waxes and does laser removal. KC said he felt something. He said that it was different and not like a woman.

Howard said KC just ignored what was going on and kept making out with her. Howard said that he could have backed off but he was in nirvana. KC said he was with a chick who had a hair on her nipple once. He said he thought that was gross but he stayed with her.

Howard asked if there was a time when KC wanted to lay down with her. She said that she wasn’t comfortable with him at the time so she didn’t get hard herself. She said that KC was getting hard and he was taking Viagra at the time too. Howard asked why KC did that. KC said he must have thought he was going to bang her. Howard said he must have wanted to be hard and thick for her. Darlene wasn’t up for it but she could feel his boner against his body. Howard asked if the boners got in the way of one another. She said that wasn’t a problem. Howard asked how she hides her penis. She said she kind of straps it down.

Howard asked Darlene if she tickled his balls at all. She said she just glanced her hands over him. She said that KC was naked. Howard asked how he got naked. She said that he was covering himself up a little bit but he was fully hard. Howard asked if she was tugging on his shaft. She said she was. Howard said she was tugging him off. KC just laughed.

Darlene said that KC had gone into the bathroom and got naked. Howard said most women would find that offensive. Howard said he was treating her like a whore. Darlene said that’s why she got pissed at herself for even being there.

Howard asked about KC’s boner and if it was big. KC said that she’s Phillipino so they have small cocks. Howard asked if that’s true. She said that she’s probably average. Howard asked if she shaves her balls. She said she waxes it. Howard asked how big KC was. She said KC is really big. Howard asked what she did with that nasty cock of his. KC laughed again. Darlene said that she knew what he wanted. Howard asked if she blew him. She said she didn’t blow him and she didn’t jerk him off. She just let her hand glance over it.

Howard asked why she didn’t jerk him off. KC was wondering the same thing. Darlene said a lot of people know about Tranny’s giving good blow jobs and she didn’t want KC wondering why she wasn’t getting naked. She was afraid that KC would get mad at her if he found out that he was a man.

Howard took a call from a guy who said that KC has to admit he’s into chicks with sticks. He said he likes cock and that’s that. KC said he should just admit it, right?

Howard asked Darlene what happened after that. Darlene said that KC took her home. She said they did get together again after that. She said that she texted KC and asked if he wanted to get something to eat. She said that she was into KC and he was very sweet to her. Howard said maybe she was falling in love. KC laughed while Howard was asking about this stuff.

Howard asked Darlene where they went after that. Darlene said they went to another hotel. Howard said that his credit card must have failed or something. KC said he doesn’t even remember. Howard asked what happened next. KC said he might have answered the door in his towel again. Howard said it means that he wants her and he’s looking to just get going.

Darlene said that KC wanted her to go out to dinner with him. She said that wasn’t happening. She said that KC wanted to go out but then he had to talk to his lawyer or something. Howard said KC probably wanted her in the room so he could have her. KC said that’s probably what was goofing on. KC said he got a massage from her that time. Howard asked if he was nude. KC said he probably was. Darlene said that he had his pants on actually. They didn’t even do any kissing that time. They just did a quick kiss but nothing that deep.

KC wanted Darlene to take a bubble bath with him but she didn’t want to do that since he’d see her penis. Howard said that they didn’t do any sexual stuff after that. Then Darlene brought him to the airport. KC said that she was a good friend the whole time and then she gave him this note. KC said that the note was in his jacket so he waited to read it. He said he read it as they were taking off.

Howard asked what KC said to her when he got back to her. KC said he told her ”Dude… a lot of people would beat you up…” and told her that it would be best that they not talk again. Darlene said she understands that and she didn’t set out to fool KC. She said she was falling for him at the time. She said she was in love with him and didn’t want to lose him. Howard asked if he was hoping that KC would be gay. She said she did hope for something like that.

Howard asked KC if he would like to say something to Darlene. KC said that he has joked about this but he knows it has to be tough. He said that he’s not mad at her or anything. He said she was nice to him and it doesn’t matter what she’s got going on. KC said she was nice before he found out she was a dude. He said he felt tricked and that he was lied to so that’s why he had to stop talking to her.

Howard asked KC if he would like a blow job from her. KC said he’s not interested in that. He doesn’t want to go out with her either.

Gary said that Will told him about how KC had told Darlene about wrestling with KC. KC said he didn’t do that. Darlene said that they did. Howard said that Darlene looks like she can handle herself. She said she doesn’t think that she could beat up KC though.

KC said he tells people this story because he’s honest about it. He said that this has happened to a lot of guys. Howard said it seems to happen to KC a lot. Howard said he got picked up for cruising in a gay neighborhood. KC said that was when he used to drive and he got lost. KC said it was in West Hollywood and he was looking to pick someone up and the cops thought he looked suspicious.

Howard said he’s not sure this is the end of these two. He asked how long Darlene is in the city. She said it’s like 2 days. KC said that he may go back to Alaska. KC said that it was nice to see Darlene again but he’s not going out with her.

Howard asked if Darlene’s dream is to be with KC. She said that she can’t say yes. She doesn’t know. Howard asked if she’d like to go out to Wolman Rink with KC to go skating. KC just laughed. KC said he’s hearing all of this and realized that he’s a creep.

Jeff the Drunk called in and asked how he could not know. Howard said he’ll have to check it out on Howard TV and see for himself.

Another caller thanked Darlene for having the balls to come in. Howard said it was very nice of him to come in. KC said that the guys did a great job getting them in there too. The caller asked them to get a picture up on the web site so we can see what they look like. Howard said that they’ll get one of them together. He asked if they wanted to play Gay Chicken together.

Gary said the guys were wondering if KC wanted to give Darlene a Sybian ride. That wasn’t happening. Howard asked Darlene if she fantasized about having a sword fight with KC. She said she didn’t think of him like that.

Howard took a call from Sal who was playing ”Diane” on the phone. Sal asked KC out on a date and KC agreed to go.

Another caller said that this was the greatest. He asked KC if he tossed her salad or anything. KC said there was no ass play. Howard asked Darlene if she would do that with KC if she had the chance. She said she might. KC said he wouldn’t let her.

Another caller said he threw up in his mouth about 6 times on his way to work. Another caller said that he has a story too but the question they should be asking is if KC would go out with her if Darlene had the operation. Howard said KC is freaked out but he thinks that he’d be into her. He said that KC likes what he sees.

Mariann from Brooklyn called in and asked what happened to KC. She said that he used to be so great on K-Rock. Howard let her go and another caller asked what they’re hiding. KC said he’s been very honest about it and that’s what happened.

Howard asked if Darlene would have just given KC blow jobs if he had done something to him. Darlene said she’s a total bottom so if KC wanted to do it back there he’d be up for it. Howard asked if she knows how to use her ass as a vagina. Darlene said ”Of course…” Howard said that KC could have gotten a great blow job. KC said he must be too uptight then.